The Elects Hope and our Forordination.

Romans 8 says ²⁹ For whom Father God foreknew, He also did predestinate (planned and purposed us) to be conformed to the image of His Son”.

Our for-ordination has to do with the truth that before we became flesh, speaking of our carnal existence, we were already in the mind of our Heavenly Father and in the bowels of Christ, with all of our intricacies figured out.

We were precisely in the only Begotten from the beginning, similar to how all the genetic sequencing for mankind was “in Adam” from the beginning, but they all had to be developed in their own time and in their own order as do we who are “in Christ”. It is us who have our new person now fully in tact by faith, which is the control mechanism for things invisible. For this reason we have reconned, which is an accounting term where our old Adamic nature is expired and done because that’s what expired means, useless. We perform this eternal work by faith, to recieve our do-over, to now be reconned and reconnected to God the Father “in Christ”. This is our fore-ordination and a foregone conclusion because we say so. Isn’t that what our protege did? He said things to be and it happened?

We take the Word of God by the projection and impetus of God Holy Spirit in us called the breath of God, different from oxygen. Then speaking the word by the power of faith, we get the same results as our Heavenly Father.

It is by faith that God gives us His Words and His Spirit to do a work like the only Begotten by speaking it so. But we do NOT alter the created realm because that would insult Him who said at the end of the sixth day of creating, that “it was good, very good”. God had played out all the variables and knew He had it covered, and we believe this to be true so it is. That is what Amen, means, so be it!

“If we had the faith the size of a mustard seed we could move mountains”? Yes there is many other things you can do.

Those whom God “foreknew” comes from the Greek word proginōskō. That’s where we get the English word prognosis and means to pre-know or know ahead of time. And with God that would be before time altogether “for known to God from eternity are all His works”. He knows the end of all things. And because time is measured by the passages of the sun with seasons and years, they started with God’s first declaration of “let there be light”. But of the elect it means that God knew them/us and forordained them/us ahead of time, and before time began with the sun and seasons. We were forordained to take on this life on a timeframe for developmental purposes, to understand by way of contrasts, what we genetically possess of that before the beginning of time. That is what forordained means from Gods perspective, preplanned before production. They/we are what creation is for.

^29. For whom Father God foreknow, He also did predestinate (planned their purpose) to be conformed to the image of His Son”.

According to James “we are a kind, (of kind begets according to kind) pf firstfruits of His creating”. Meaning  It was during the creating that God crowned His creation on the 6th and final day saying “let Us create mankind in our image and our likeness and let them have dominance”. Man was made in Gods likeness with similarities I contrast, but was not like the Godhead itself. Adam was a mimick for  and Gods word cannot be circumvented.

³⁰ Moreover whom the Father did (think of at first( predestinate, them He also called: and whom He called, them He also justified: and whom He justified, them He also glorified.” This is reference to salvation and restoration through the resurrection from being dead to God, to the ascension of waking back up there at the place we call “in Christ” as indistinguishably different from being accounted “of Adam”.

These are all spoken of as accomplished facts because that’s how God sees it, and why He sat down on the seventh day. Amen!. God and His Son are seated waiting for our arrival and their enemies to become their footstool because the the outcome for them is a foregone conclusion. (Hebrews 1.1+)

“Known to God through eternity are all His works”. And before He sat down from creating, He looked upon all He had done and said “it is good”. Then in a fraction of a moment He played out all the variables, what man could do and the rogue powers of contrasts could do, and foreknew that He had all the variables coersed and corrected. He had it all covered, and He rests assured in that, as should we.

In this way we enter into His rest of not having to struggle or wring our hands about such things. If this were not true the Only Begotten would not have been able to enter His Glory, to sit down or to rest. Because it is true for Him, for us who are “in Christ” it is true for us too. For even before His appearing, this gospel truth was given “For there remains a rest to the people of God. For those who have entered their rest have ceased from their works as God did from His.” This is a promise quoted from Hebrews 4 that was speaking of the 7th day, meaning the day after God the Father was done with all of creation. The only work left to do is to deliver the gospel for how the saving is accomplished. And this is assured because His word has gone out to all the world even unto the end of the age. Amen!

To this we are “the called”. That “we all with unvieled faces, like looking into a mirror are (in the process of) being transfigured into His self same image, from the Glory to the Glory (through the word of God) as by the Spirit.” 2 Corinthians 3.18+

It is by our residence here that we observe through the contrasts of light and darkness and flesh and spirit to more clearly ascertain who we truly are and what we truly have. And just as a weary wanderer in a desert without food or water, when we eat and drink of the goodness of God cooked up in the spirit of things eternal from scripture, it is as though we awaken to what was ours to begin with, that we had not properly understood or appreciated until we participated of this age, where we temporarily interact with what is called creation. We are called the new creation, however we are not so much created as we are made alive and awakened to “The New Creation” of not being new as in just being made, but new in the sense that it never gets old or fades and is the same yesterday, today and forever, and fulfill the words in scripture that “if anyone is in Christ, old things having passed away behold all things have become new and all things are from God”.

We have seen as lessons from the law that “we would not have known sin apart from the law”. That is because the law takes on the opposite of grace being cumbersome and unforgiving, of something  you have to earn. The consequences of sin in contrast to the rewards of faith. That “the law was established to make sin exceedingly sinful” and rightfully called the gospel of death because all that lived by the law died as such and didn’t learn the lesson. But we learned that we needed something that our carnal way of getting things done can not do. You have to go beyond that old way and adopt something new to be the adopted into a new way of thinking we derive from the gospel. The “old things have passed away and all things become new and all things are from God”. So you should not be confused about how to trade in your old for your new features, where they come from and who they resemble and what is the power source that makes it all work, the Holy Spirit.

Here are your primary tools for your task at hand, Hope and Faith

Romans 8 says. For we were saved in this (invisible) hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what they can see? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.”

And “faith is the substance of things hoped for, being the evidence of the things that are not seen” as being more substantial and enduring then anything you can “taste handle and touch, for all are to perish with using according to the commandments and doctrines of men”. (Colossians)

In this way we are like the prodigal son who after being poor, destitute, cold, hungry and over-worked, to be eating with the swine that he fed, then to wake up and remember (something he knew before, thst he foreknew, being the remembrance of the provisions in his Father’s house, then he commenced  to return home. “But when he was still a great way off, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and fell on his neck and kissed him.” This is a picture of what the gospel delivers, and we will quite “be ye reconciled to the Father, for God made Him who knew no sin to become our sin, for us to become the righteousness in Him”. Speaking of us being “in Christ” where all things things come in crystal clear to our understanding.

So then the father said to his servants, ^[f]‘Bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet. ²³ And bring the fatted calf here and kill it, and let us eat and be merry; ²⁴ for this my son was dead (in the way that Adam died) and is alive again; he was lost ( like those in the wilderness) and is found.’ And they began to be merry.”

²⁵ “Now his older son was in the field (by feelings of obligations) And as he came and drew near to the house, he heard music and dancing. ²⁶ So he called one of the servants and asked what these things meant. ²⁷ And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and because your father has received him safe and sound, he has killed the (best choice) fatted calf.” This was not your standard meal.

The Father had met the prodigal from a long way off as ours does for us, and restored to him his full inheritance, as He does for us. And of his grumpy brother that never left home? In his jealousy he complained to the Father for making a celebration for his brother who had been thought of as dead. It was the son who never left home who seamingly overlooking what he always had but didn’t appreciate it because he had nothing to compare it to, as we would all do if we had not experienced life here being our carnal experience on a temporary earth  in contrast to the eternal with the Father “in Christ”. (2 Peter 3.10+)

As a matter of fact, there are many even now doing work for the faith, not even realizing that those works they think they are doing for God and His Kingdom out of drudgery and feeling obligated to do so, are like the son who never left his father like the prodigal did. It is these things that don’t please God. Even the crazy man at the Gadarenes was soon seated in his right mind upon his encounter with Christ.

One thing you need to keep in mind is that if your faith keeps you under continual mandates of doing and helping and saving people, maybe you’ve forgotten what the cross is about. Please, please don’t be mandate driven to perform the duties of God out of necessity or begrudgingly ‘”for God loves a happy giver”.

A prodigal is like a person in a desert near death and in need of water who tastes the water to come back to life, to appreciate life in a whole new way. Such are we who’ve experienced this age in such a way to really appreciate what we’ve had all along but didn’t know how to recognize it without the gospel. We didn’t know how to use it, enjoy it or appreciate our gift from the Father. “Those who the Son set free are truly free”. This is the gift of God “in Christ”. And whatever He did, He did for us so that we wouldn’t have to.

If you fully understood this, Satan would not be able to prod you to perform with the wrong motives. All your best efforts are just filthy rags anyway, especially if you look back at your trail behind you. However we have something better.

Romans 5. 5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, ^[a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, ² through whom also we have access by faith into (the contents stored in) this grace in which we (proverbially) stand, and rejoice in hope (during our realization) of the glory of God. ³ And not only that, but we also glory in adversity, knowing that adversity produces ^[b]perseverance; ⁴ and perseverance produces character; and character, produces hope. ⁵ Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us. (As our strength and a constant reminder to help us keep our resolve strong, as part of our sanctification package benefits)

And like Abraham “who, contrary (to any evidence) to hope, believed in hope, so that he became (as a huge reward) the father of many nations (meaning the whole age of the gentiles), according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.” And the curious thing about this promise to Abraham is that, he was not in human form when his promise was fully realized. As a matter of fact, the promise God gave him to be “father of many nations” is still being played out today to include you and me.

Remember? “Your seeds as the sands of the sea”? And “as the stars of the sky so too your descendants shall be?” For this reason he became the father of many nations, according to the promise spoken, Earthen and Heavenly. What a huge pay off. It still yields unwavering  dividends.

Romans 15.13 goes on further to say “Now may the God (who supplies you the) hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing (to receive the contents of the hope), that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit”. Who was also given to remind you and keep you flourishing in this hope, as you grow more and more in all patience and understanding.

Till the end of this age, to harvest Gods offspring. And when you’ve reached the full conclusion and realization of your hope, you will find out that you had agreed before time, your foreknowledge, to participate in the testings of this age as a means of realizing more fully what our true self is. That is what forordained means.

As the elect we were foreordained in the foreknowledge and the mind of God for this cause. Otherwise how could God give us eternal life if there is a specific starting point? That would indicate that you are on a timeframe and you do not have access to what was before, and therefore the gift would not be eternal but linier on a timeframe with a beginning point and God has no such limitations, and “He has given us every spiritual blessing in Heavenly places in Christ”. Ephesians 1

Even as scripture had said that the sons of God shouted out in glory from the time of creation. Shouted out for Glory because apart from experiencing the contrast between Heaven and Earth we really didn’t know what we had. And as God spoke through Isaiah “for as the Heavens are higher than the earth, so are My thoughts and My ways higher than your thoughts and your ways”. Our experience here is wake up call from contrasts that solidify us with great un-waving resolve to be who we truly are in the image of “the eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God”. If this were NOT true, scary could not say that “God has given us every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places” because there would be something with held but there is not. We are joint heirs of Him who is “the same yesterday, today and forever” meaning eternity This is our fore-ordination and the conclusion of the matter. (Hebrews 13.8)

And it is the ways of this age that are always trying to keep people off guard, to detain, to entertain and maintain your existence here focusing you away from your inheritance “in Christ”. However we have been trained to be constantly on watch for our Lord, He comes in the first watch the second watch and the third watch and every watch, and blessed are we because we’ve been found watching, waiting and listening and receiving from each one of Christ’s successive personal encounters that increases our inner capacity in the Spirit of our minds for more of Them. We are those who are rewarded for diligently seeking Him.

In this way “The Kingdom of God, and all our inheritance is at hand”. The Kingdom is preached and the violent take it by force”. Meaning, we won’t take no for an answer, and the Father is not insulted by our persistence.  Amen

“Deliver such a one up to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that the spirit may be saved in the Lord’s Day.” 1 Corinthians 5.5

Paul had these words to say about dealing with people at large who associate and identify with the body of Christ, of what people in general call the church. We would however like to lay some ground work that church today is generally associated with in a with an affressy where people congregate, but more truly applied it is in any setting where “two or more are gathered in My name, there I am in their midst” were the words of Christ defining what church is. It is a people and not a plac. And however there may be outreaches and gospel sharing to the scattered and unbelieving, when it comes to assembling in worship to commune, which means to have all things in common with the Father, it has to be done in holy sanctification by the Spirit. As the Father said “be ye holy as I am holy”.

In Old Testament nomenclature they called it a general assembly or a solemn assembly, which is essentially a dress rehearsal. As we always say that what the Israelites did over and over in the wilderness, was done in a physical way to play out eternally constant realities, portraying things that exist in a completed form in the spirit. For the first six days of the week they prepared in a physical way and on the seventh day they practiced them as a dress rehearsal to learn of the never changing, constant eternal things of God in the spirit. It was necessary to play them out over and over because the gospel is progressive, and each one learns in their own order. As the gospel says that God has entered His rest on the 7th day and calls us to himself there saying “there remains a rest to the people of God so they may cease from their works and enter there rest as God entered His”. (Hebrews 4) To enter His rest is to have victory over the obstacles of the age of creation, by retaining your stature renewed in the Spirit.

Paul spoke to the Corinthians who had assembled together as the body of Christ (not a building) on a regular basis for worship, where they were scolded because of the man boasting of his affair, because that man was violating their sanctification in holiness and putting them all in harm’s way by being implicit. Because of them ignoring his boasting they insulted the Spirit of Grace and were sleighted for judgment. And of the one who was flouting his hubris about the infidelity of having another man’s wife? Paul made it clear that their ignoring and turning from acknowledging this mans blatant sin. He had not been rebuked and put out of the assembly. They had insulted the Spirit of grace. This is NOT where you want to be.

We have a picture of this in Exodus with the Korah and his son’s.

²⁴ Speak unto the congregation, saying, Get you up away from the tabernacle of Korah, Dathan, and Abiram.

²⁶ And Moses spake unto the congregation, saying, Depart, I pray you, from the tents of these wicked men, and touch nothing of their’s, lest ye be consumed in all their sins.

³¹ And it came to pass, as Moses had made an end of speaking all these words, that the ground clave asunder that was under them:

³² And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.”

And again from Paul, ¹¹ Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.”

And, “¹⁶ The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

¹⁷ For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.”

¹⁹ What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?

²⁰ But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

²¹ Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord’s table, and of the table of devils.

²² Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

With the account of Korah and Paul’s commentary, we can see what was at stake for those assembled in Corinth, and with that man’s sin of being joined to another man’s wife and being joined to the body of believers meant that Satan would’ve had access to polute what is to be a holy setting.

It was because at the cross sin was removed from the saints “as far as the east is from the west”. To associate with that type of sin again puts them out of range of Gods protection. Therefore they were instructed to “give such a one over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that his spirit may be saved to the Lord’s day” for the man’s benefit and their own. At least his invisible part had a chance. For Korah he likely did not because of his role in leadership.

Part 2.

If we understand the gift of eternal life correctly, Christ paid for all the sins of humanity, the good and the bad. That He also took on the ill consequences of that collection of sin. The whole mass for all time. Because of the immensity and the size of who Christ is, He could take on all our pain sin and the byproducts that lead to sickness, death and destruction, all at the same time, with no leftovers or lapse of coverages.

So for us to keep from insulting the Godhead, we need to know that there is not one of us that could endure the death penalty due for ourselves, let alone the totality due to the whole human race through out their successive generations. So let’s respect what Christ did at our saving lest a worse thing happen to us.

Hebrews 10 has this to say, ²⁶ For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, ²⁷ but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. ²⁸ Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. ²⁹ Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? ³⁰ For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” ^[g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” ³¹ It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.“ And God the Father can take action at anytime.

So then because of the Fathers grace, if Christ did NOT take on our sin and death, each one of us would have to endure and bear the brunt of paying for our own dying for ourselves alone and the rectification of each of our sins. In the end you will find that out that all the excruciating, gut wrenching, agonizing shrills of pain and suffering associated with death and dying, was taken care of and neutralized and marked “paid in full” because of the cross. This was all done to nullify your fear of suffering, pain and death and dying. Yes His saving us was from that unavoidable horror due to each one of us, that He took on Himself so that we wouldn’t have to. This is the Gospel of Grace.

As un-comprehendable as that may seem, there are many still who will NOT receive that payment gifted by God through the sacrifice of His Son, and given to all would be believers on their own behalf as described in the gospel, to turn and have to endure death by themselves and whatever pain meds and drugs they can get their hands on. Your dying is what you could have bequeathed to Christ Almighty. Isn’t that what He advertises to do? “On Him was laid the inequity of us ALL and by His being stricken we were healed”.

It is not as though just any another man paid this debt for your reconning (reconnecting). The Only Begotten did this Himself. As scripture says “God made Him who knew no sin, to become our sin (with all the judgment due from a holy God and our condemning view we have of ourselves) for us to become His righteousness (that we see) in Him. Meaning “in Christ”. Which is a place, a country and a Kingdom as much as it is a person. Christ is the promised land scripture spoke of because in Him “the Kingdom of God is at hand” because “in Christ all of the promises from God have their fulfillment”. That is why you must recon (account) your old self dead to be born again “in Christ” and no longer subject to in the order of the old man like Adam”.

And if you correctly understand the heart of our Heavenly Father, when He said “Adam where are you”, it was because Adam had turned from God in the spirit of His mind and instead of reflecting Gods Glory back to Him like we the redeemed can do (2 Corinthians 3.18). Adams spiritual focus vacated and opened up to be dispersed in a fog and a haze that increases into total utter outer darkness. And because God in the beginning said “let their be light”, and that is the light before He created the sun, therefore you know there is a light that precedes creation that they are deprived from. Paul described it as “seven times brighter than the sun” at his conversion. We call it revelation of Jesus Christ because “He is the light that comes into the world”. And “the gospel we preach did not come by man nor was it taught by man but by the revelation and illumination of Gods Son called Yeshua the Messiah…

That would not be so if Adam had not been made in the image of God because Adam would not have been made with an eternal internal hole to fill, but he was. This amplifies the debt of death, not as a singular act of dying, but as a condition of existing in the excruciation of NOT just the absence of all that’s good but the presence of all that is wicked, vile, uncompassionate, loveless, an increasingly smothering, heavy weight.

As we always say that when one rejects God, they don’t get the next best thing but the exact opposite. The perfect balance. This is why there are only two choices. “Choose you this day whom you will serve”, the God of light,  or the fragmented, splintered, diminishing powers of darkness that can agree only on one thing, your demise…

This is what is at stake when we, especially the leaders compromise with the call to sanctification. Therefore “deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh (the thing that is temporary) that the spirit (the thing that is eternal) may be saved in the Lord’s day” because however unfortunate it may be that Satan would take this mans body till death, God the Father would recuperate what He invested, a soul. Even as He said “The Souls are mine”. It is the flesh that returns to dust, and Satan was cursed by God saying “and dust you shall eat all the days of your life” showing you how the Father cycles away what He doesn’t want, so hold on loosely.

We know that when we disappoint the Holy Spirit we can feel terribly alone and face certain scorn and rebuke. And however forgiving the Godhead personages of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit may be, that should not be to misconstrue their patience and forgiveness for tolerance for sin. For even the Old Covenant pictures show the judgements of God within the community of those who are “the called”. The Greek word for this is “eklesia”. Ek means to call, and klesia are the called and in scripture this Greek word is translated as church.

So when Paul said to “deliver such a one to Satan”, there was a man flouting his acts of adultery, and people may have thought this to be okay, maybe he needed more time to learn? But to come together for communion , meaning our focus and “union”, and joining in worship and adoration collectively to the Godhead, we are do do this with purity. We have been given the cross in which to come clean to approach the Father, but do not take this for granted for He has said “be ye Holy as I am Holy”, without mixture of impurities of un-wholesomeness.

So the instruction was given for the adulterer “give such a one up to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that his spirit may be saved to the Lord’s Day.

Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. Ezekiel 18.4

David lost his new born son because of his affair with Bathsheba.  and this is what David said.  But now my son is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me” showing us that his son’s spirit was saved in the Lord’s day. (2 Samuel 12.23)

Revelation before the throne were thousands and ten times

The second death

We have this promise at the beginning of the book of Christ’s Revelation, that “He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.”

By faith we have been saved from the death we inherited from Adam and Eve of being dead to the things of God but alive to carnal senses and appetites, then to be made alive again to God through a rebirthing in spirit through accepting the gospel of truth. We are now reconned and reconnected to God for godliness showing our new association.

For this reason it is said of Heavenly Jerusalem, that nothing unclean shall enter Her. This is our key to understanding our need for spiritual cleanliness and why it is said that “no unclean shall enter…. quote”  outside are the abominable, because if you let them in, in truth you are putting yourself out. And that is reprehensible.

The second death

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.