Christ in private with His disciples said:

If you had known Me,you would have known My Father; and from this moment on, you have know Him and (you) have seen Him.” 8 Philip said to Him, “just show us the Father, and that will be sufficient for us.” 9 Christ answered him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have NOT  known Me Philip? Those who have (known Me, have) seen Me (and those who have seen me) have seen the Father also (and have known Him in the same way that you know me); so how can you ask Me, ‘Show us the Father’ (and) that will be sufficient?” End quote.

Seeing is believing? Not really. For they saw the Son of God, who is a spitting image of the Father, but not in a way we see each other on our peripherals. For to see the Son, is to see or perceive (per-see) Him, as thoughts and emotions seen in actions that match His words, played out with accuracy and reliability. For “God is light and in Him is no darkness at all”. And we walk in the light as He is that light we walk in “for in Him is no darkness at all”.

So to see Christ is to know the Father for “I and the Father are one (and the same). And to know Him is to interact with Him who said “ask anything of the Father in My name (as if you were Me), and He will do it”. And so we do. We confirm His Testimony is true. “We have come to know and believe that God (already) sent His Son as Savior of the world”.  And we bare witness that His testimony is true. As He said “I in you, you in Me, that the world may believe that He sent Me”, said the Son. Who also told us “and greater works will you do (than I) because I go to the Father, to never see Me again”. (In the fashion of the flesh) Therefore, follow Me that where I am, you may be also”? And because that Son said “I and the Father are One? Who also said (and greater works shall you do than these). That to be able to make the same claims as that Son of God? Is the proof that He is true and that “no unrighteousness is in Him at all”, to clarify what we are to expect as nearing the completion, NOT of the gospel, because that’s been around for awhile, but to become “the full stature and measure of Christ, unto a perfect man”, like Christ.

And this is what the gospel delivers Now! And confirmed that “God has given us everything that pertains to Life and godliness through the knowledge of knowing Him by His glory and His virtue to mean purity, being two descriptions of invisible things that we’ve learned to recognize.

This is how God is light and in Him is no darkness at all”. If anyone dwells in darkness, they lie and do not do the truth”. And to do the truth first is an acknowledgement, “to come to know and believe”. To continue to believe and apply what you’ve acquired by the knowledge.

And so we do…. He has sent His Son Savior. Any other such saving in any other way is a deceiver and a liar because they do NOT believe this testimony is true, because they want just the facts please? Facts can be man-ipulated.

That is NOT gonna happen.

It was in the beginning that Adam fell in perception only. To mean the way he saw things was inverted. He fell to become upside down in his thinking. He use to see or perceive things, in the spirit of the mind from where he fell. For you see there were no broken bones or bruises when Adam fell, just an inverted and upside down way of thinking. In this way he became dead to the invisible to the carnal eyes, things of God that we know now, are in reach and “at hand” in a pro-verb-ial way. (Verb from verbage to mean words and Word) That is why, and where, the resurrection takes place too. To be raised back up in our understanding, in the Spirit of our minds, our understanding, to proverbially stand on in concepts and truth but not necessarily a physical construct such as are pleasing to the physical senses.

We now see things apart from our old outward sensors. We now being borne of the Spirit. It is in the spirit of the mind where we see and perceived in a different way and are raised in understanding. That visible things have counterparts in the spirit, so that the vernacular appears the same but from different realms. For “that which is flesh is flesh, and that which is spirit is spirit. You must be born again and raised in perception? And so we do.

Perception meaning to be synonymous with seeing. A seeing in the spirit of the mind, without any actual physical proofs , and why we use parables to those who do NOT have “eyes to see and ears to hear” of another nature.

The object of this lesson is just that! To know and see with a new understanding, what the disciples, who replaced the prophets to become Apostles, learned to see from their interaction with The Only Begotten of the Father.

As Christ spake emphatically and said. That “you have known Me and you have seen Me and you have seen the Father if you have seen Me”. That “I in you and you in Me that the world may believe? Yes! We have known and we have seen the Father and the Son, as something different than visual flesh expects.

We see them for where they are from”that which is from the beginning”, from before God ever said “Let there be…”

That this text is quite obviously talking about a knowing as perceiving that is a type of seeing that both come from the same in the Greek, having to do with the spirit of your mind. To understand is that perceiving and seeing is the same thing in this text and many more.

Here are glimpses below  from Strongs Concordance with the variables available to the translators on seeing and perceiving as being synonyms.

Do you see what we are talking about? Because that is the main point. To mean that there are multiple places in Scripture where to see something, means to be perceived, investigated, to state at, to discern clearly, , to behold, take heed. Meaning to be understood, to have an apparition or a vision, and not so much to appease the senses of sight sound and touch, but to understand in the spirit of your mind is the seeing and perceiving that, this is what you will be judged by. 

After all, since the Kingdom of God is at hand. Does that mean that you can physically grasp it? Does it mean that you can physically enter Jerusalem? go into the temple? to then “go boldly into the temple of grace to find help in time of need?”, as scripture commands? Or does this “going boldly to throne room of grace” have to do with our physical features?

Of course not for “flesh and bone does not inherit the Kingdom, but the respirited mind of faith does for it is by the spirit, of us being born of the spirit and being born again of the spirit that grants us the access to go on and go body into the throne room of grace, in the way it was before the beginning of time. 

This is why Christ said “that which is flesh is flesh and that which is spirit is spirit, ye must be born again? Born of the Spirit. And again “for seeing with their eyes they see Not, and hearing with their ears they hear Not, for it is with the heart that one must see and hear to understand the things of God”.

And “blessed are you because you have seen and you have heard,  but more blessed are those who have NOT seen (in a physical fashion). But to believe the things that have been said and written.

And “greater things shall you do because I go to the Father and you see Me again no more (but only in a physical sence). But because He also said I will never leave you to be forsaken, would indicate that He is with us always and “what shall separate us from the love of God (we have by being) in Christ, neither height, depth, powers nor principalities for we are more than victors through Christ who loved us. That He has us covered for any and every circumstance, as the one who said “I am with you always”

Or as He spoke to the disciples at the last supper, where He revealed and unveiled himself to them in their understanding. This is where they saw Christ in the new light of a changed perception as a seeing for believing saying  “from now on, you have known Me and you have seen Me. How can you say show us the Father and that will be sufficient? Those who have seen Me have seen/perceived the Father. And “I and the Father are one!”

This idea that “only believing if you can see something” presents a great problem because if you read into the text that everytime someone  saw something, was meant to mean they visibility saw something with their eyes in their head? Then that means the scriptures are NOT complete, that Christ has not saved us from our sin and we are left looking for another coming of Christ in the fashion of the flesh, to save in another way? Maybe “another coming. Like the one “which is according to Satan with all lying signs and wonders”. That’s a visual concept one meant for those who sleep in the spirit awaiting an awakening, or for those who refuse to accept Christ from His first estate from and of the Father called “The Word of God!”

–Who from the beginning was with God. Of whom it was then written “And (then) the Word became flesh and dwelt among us”. And even despite that flesh He became, the flesh is just an envelope with a message, a bag and a rag meant to discard for “that which is flesh is flesh, and that which is spirit is spirit ye must be born again.” Means you have to be born of the Spirit to interact with the spirit.

And “God is Spirit and truth and seeketh such”, so such is our goal to please the Father to rise up to the challenge. And not to rise like to resurrect from the dead, for we already had that, but to rise to mean ascend as we have been called .

Here are some more examples of perceiving to mean seeing and synonymous.

John continued to write saying “and we beheld (another word for see) the glory of the Only Begotten of The Father full of grace and truth” as something far superior than just the flesh or the Word because the Word that was in and with the Father, to come out of the proverbial Fathers mouth, was done so by the Breath of God, being the Holy Spirit of God, as the only other thing that was manifest in the here and now, that came from the Godhead body. That God is first these three, and these three are coequal, invisible aspects from time eternal, pre-existing from before the word was ever spoken of “Let there be…”.

And “All things were made by Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

And it is here we will ask metaphorically, do you see what we are talking about? If yes, then you too can say of Christ, that you have known Him and that you have seen Him, not with bodily eyes but in Word and in Spirit and in Truth as three aspects of understanding that pre-exist time and matter.

For if you try to equate the Godhead with any other form of existence, you have to use creation to do so. And that violates the principal that “from now on, you have known Him and you have seen Him, and you have interacted with God from where He is and with what He was and is and is to come, is to remain and to never change in construct.

Creation as a medium

So that just as many people may have fellowship by “the breaking of bread”?

The bread itself is just like any other form of media or mediums only meant to stimulate and impress to convey concepts of pre-existing realities in the spirit of our own minds. It is “the spirit of our minds” that becomes the media/medium, lijet parchment or paper. That receive the Word of God in our spirit in our minds

This is where our invisible eternal part called the spirit of our mind, has the resources through human instrumentation.., to believe and receive the thing that was said. This is what starts the incubation process for becoming godly, and godlike. This is how we are made in the image of God being thought, breath and word. To mean words and concepts whereby we participate in our own metamorphosis. That we see, hear and taste that God is good. But no one has physically tasted God, however we were instructed to “here, take and eat, eat all of Me” as Christ instructed at the last dinner. But the eating they were doing was consuming truth. And to consume truth, to become what you eat? Because we ate something physical was for cognitive recognition, to “be ye renewed in the spirit of your minds” as once again happening in the place called “spirit and truth”, as touching the invisible. And the incredibly, humanly unknowable by external human sensors, invisible to carnal receptors but visible to our spirit, this is where our interaction with the Godhead Body takes place. Not in physical fashion, but in spirit and truth. But be aware! There are other spirits who are not true, who manifests illusions for contending benefits. However not eternal but temporary, and not eternal

If so then we are all found as being false witnesses and deceived if indeed

But as Christ said “Those who have seen Me have seen the Father”? This had nothing to do with seeing with your eyes as though they had the same skin and hair color.

And THAT is the point. Because “flesh and blood does not inherit the Kingdom”, but the respiriyed mind of faith does, and it does so just as immediately as you can receive it by faith. That faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. It is through faith that the elders gained repore with God.” As when Thomas said “let me … But more blessed are those who believe without seeing because they will receive the thing that was said. The thing they heard and believed, to perceive and receive without putting their fingers in Christ. This is the faith that produces transformation, which is synonymous with “transfiguration”. That “those who have seen Me have seen the Father”. That without faith it is impossible to please God, because if you can perceive it to believe it? This is how you gain repore with the Father. More blessed are they who believe without seeing, it is these who receive the things that are said, because the Eternal things were already there and complete before God ever said “let there be”, because the things that were spoken should take you right back to the beginning and not some “End Times

This is the hearing the seeing and the knowing of Christ. That knowing is to see. Can you see (perceive) what we are talking about.

The Greek words for “see” are the same words to “perceive”. It was up to the translators to make the choice. And if the greater amount of translators had not seen in a physical way what the text was trying to convey

This is where the gospel pivots from being substantial, or as the disciples asked “show us the Father and that is sufficient (to believe you?? To mean, give us something physical to hold on to, or maybe a picture that we can go back to for reassurance, when that itself is a violation of faith because “Faith is the (invisible) substance of things that are hoped for, (being) the evidence that their are things not seen, for by this, the elders (meaning those who have gone before us) have gained good repore with God. Hebrews 11.1

So how is it, those who have seen Christ have seen the Father? Are we to view the Father in a white robe with sandals like the common portrayals of Christ in the churches? That is nonsense. As He said, that “from now on, you have known Him (the Father) and you have seen Him” (because they had seen Christ. That “we once knew Christ according to the flesh, but henceforth know we Him that way no more. We hope you are getting the picture.

That this goes for us as well. That “when we see Him as He is, (speaking of Christ) we shall be like Him”, NOT to mean the man, BUT WHO HE WAS FROM THE BEGINNING….

That “In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the Word was God, He was in the beginning with God. Then the Word became flesh and dwelled among us, and we beheld the Glory of the Father in the Son, who also said ‘I and the Father are one (and the same), those who’ve seen Me (as I am) have seen the Father”. “And we beheld the glory of the Father in the Son.

The word to “see”, and having “seen” in these verses from the Greek language is similar in English, in that to see in this context is to “perceive” or “pre-see-ve”. That to “perceive” is to “understand” and to “understand” is to “know” and this type of knowing is seeing from the Greek interlinear #…

This is the concept that tore the body of Christ into pieces. Even as Christ said

So The Kingdom of God IS at hand, but that hand is as parabolic as seeing Christ, not to mean physically, but in spirit and truth. This is for those born again and borne from above and borne about by the spirit. So as the Psalmist asked? “How can you say to my soul like a bird to “flee to Your mountain?” In the same way we see Him face to face. Through pictures and parables making impressions on our spirit filled souls, till we all come to a full stature of the Son of God, before the expiration of the physical body because it has reasonings and receptors to do so. For the day of closer is coming, and like a game of musical chairs when the music stops. If you have not found and sat down in Heavenly places in Christ, to be found outside looking in at this wedding feast that we describe. To hear the voice of rejection saying “depart from Me you workers of inequality for you are not mindful of Me but if things of the world”. To find out that there are always obstacles to test your resolve but you have not “reached out to lay ahold of why Christ laid ahold of you because there was always a nicety you had to do for someone else for religious reasons or recognition. All the while you were suppose to be putting on Christ one revelation at a time until “you are completely in Him who is head over all principalities and powers, seated in Heavenly places In Christ. And as long as time allows, the invitation is still available. But if you are waiting to see something to believe? You will be counted as a slothful servant. Oh the burning sensation of lost opportunities. Coulda, shouldst, woulda, but can not anymore. But for now?The Kingdom of God is still at hand to press it to obtain as we have shown you here. Amen